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Idea for an NG competition - thoughts?

Posted by SplatterDash - July 16th, 2022


Heyo, I'm boutta go to sleep but I had an idea for something. I've been grappling on it for a bit now, but I think I wanna propose it to gather a good idea of what people would think about it and to also gain feedback early. I've run things before (not always the best, I'll admit), but I've never really created a competition from scratch.


At least, mostly from scratch.


Truth be told, the idea isn't fully my own, but it does root off of something else that happened before. Back in 2019, @CoachFro hosted a special kind of NG Monthly Writing Competition - he hosted plenty of monthly competitions before, but the difference with this one was that it would have the end goal of turning into an animation here on NG. It went through four phases - the writing phase, the art/character reference stage, the music & VA stage, and the animation stage. The competition as a whole went well, but it started to die out when it got to us musicians and was completely untouched when the animation phase rolled in. It's definitely not something I'd say is Fro's fault at all, but it's something I wanna avoid this time around. After all, the NG community went through some growth since then because of things like the Sponjibobbu episode given a copyright strike on YouTube and, more recently, FNF - we have more people on NG and probably more interest to get together and make something fun since then.


So with that said, how would this iteration of the competition work? Somewhat similar as before, but with some changes.


Phase 1: Writing/Concept

Similar to the competition that started it all, the idea is that writers would be tasked with writing a script for an animation. However, I would want to open it up to any animation ideas whatsoever, not just pilot episodes. My only rule would be for it to only use original characters and scenarios, since it allows for more creative freedom in the later stages. I'd also allow for it to either be a drama, comedy, whatever the writer wants to be. I'm considering a rating limit as well (maybe M at most), but nothing's solid yet.


Phase 2: Art/Reference

Pretty much similar to the other competition, where artists would take a character or few and come up with reference sheets for them. The goal is to be unique in style but also tied to the script in terms of what the character looks like, how they act, etc.


Phase 3: Music & VA

Instead of strictly doing a theme song (although the musician can do that if they want to), the musician can pick out any part in the script and make a 1:30 to 2:00 song following the events of the script in that part. It could be ambiance music, something that blends with action, whatever they want it to be. For VAs, they would choose a few lines that make up around 1:00 of a track and voice the character, again keeping in mind what the script says for their personality.


Phase 4: Animation

Instead of doing a trailer, my thought is to have the animation competitors choose a portion of the script and animate 1:30 - 2:00 of that portion. It can be storyboard animations, full animations, whatever they see fit for the time they have. They would have to utilize the style of the artist, maybe include the music track from the musician, and if possible also include lines from the VAs. Their goal is to bring everything together and bring the vision to life.


Other misc stuff

  • I'd probably aim to start this on January 1st. I don't want to interfere with other NG happenings too much, and I know I'm gonna be busy up until that point as well.
  • Like before, the person or people who win one of the phases have a say in the later phases for who they think portrays the script the best.
  • Phases 1-3 would last around 2 weeks each, while phase 4 would last 4 weeks (to give ample time to animate that much).
  • I'm considering running phases 2 and 3 together, but I'm hesitant because the musicians and VAs can bounce off of the artist's work on the reference sheets.
  • I will not be distancing myself from the group once it is fully assembled, and instead I'll help in whatever ways is needed and possible for me.
  • I'm considering, if this goes well, of also starting a game variant of this competition. The main inclusion would be the final phase of coders placing assets and music into the game, but I still would need to figure things out and learn from this competition.
  • The whole point of the competition is to bring people on NG together in a unique way and to have fun while doing so! I can include prizes too, such as some Supporter statuses, but again it's about having fun and making some friends while working on something passionate.


That's what I got so far. Again, I'm still tweaking some things and I want to get an idea of what I need to change before the competition potentially starts, or if the idea isn't going to work. I'm interested, and I'm down to hear your guys' thoughts!


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Winner gets free supporter the losers pay for the winners supporter

I mean I'm not gonna go that far with the losers paying for the winners, I wanna keep the competition free for everyone after all lol

@SuicideMouseWasHere I wouldn’t recommend giving penalties for losing. That’d make it less appealing, so fewer people would sign up, and the point of this contest is to restart something that wasn’t getting enough people.

This is awesome! I’d love to see it happen!

On top of that, would you like to have a Discord server for it? From what I’ve seen, a challenge specific server might be a good way to help get all the entries and contestants in one place so that it’s easier to manage.

I think if I do want to do a server I might reach out to the existing NG server to create something in there rather instead of creating something new, at least for right now. I'm worried about doing a server for a one-off competition since it'll likely die after everything's done, but in terms of getting everything together for each phase I think the thread system should work fine for now. When the team's assembled I'd like to get communications on Discord if possible, but the competitions I think can work fully here on NG.

@Thetageist ok hmm how about something else?

would definitely try out for it if it comes around, sounds really cool. It will for sure be a pain to organize one group after the other, but with good planning this could be incredible 100%

It definitely will be to schedule stuff and work each phase, but I think if I plan it right it can give that incredible result :D

I still love this idea and I feel like it could have really fun results. I wonder if shorter dialog scripts would set things up more for success; they would be quicker for other people to read through and less work to implement.

The first time around, by the time the script and character design was settled, it was hard to imagine something more interesting than some tweened characters exchanging dialog with a lot of lip-syncing work. I think animators would prefer less dialog (but still good dialog) and stylized not-over-detailed character designs that lend themselves to opportunities to do dynamic animations. Would be great to see it work out in the final rounds!

That's actually a good idea and honestly a good concern to have on both fronts. I can try to analyze dialogue in the script phase to hopefully find the best balance between short and personality-fueled dialogue, but in some genres I think it'd be interesting to see how that balance would work. As for the characters, I can look for something that can lend itself to the style of the script (comedy, melodrama, etc) but also look for something that can provide dynamic animations for the final phase too.

This sounds invigorating. I'd love to be a part of this. I'm guessing if you can only be a part of one of the phases and you can't Art/Music or write/animate?

I'd be down to let people participate in multiple phases, but if you're on the team already I'd say if you wanna go for two jobs then you can choose one to be a main person on and talk to the other members about being a secondary person for another job (ex. you get chosen for music and talk to the team about being a secondary animator). That's at least what I'm thinking for now, it might be subject to change between now and January.

Hey, thanks for reaching out to me about the Pixel Day submission. I can't send PMs since my outbox is currently full (I guess I should get around to making that clearer on my profile..) but from what I can tell it should be fine to go ahead and submit it because it sounds like there's enough key differences between your work and its source/inspiration.

I'm not a mod, so my response is mainly based on my experience with games in the past (my submission for clock day is a very limited 'clock-themed' version of FNF, and I'm pretty sure there were others like Chainsaw Dance too). But if you want to be sure then you can message some of the Game/Movie Portal mods listed in the link below:

https://www.newgrounds.com/wiki/help-information/site-moderation

Feel free to delete this comment later.

Yeah of course! Thank you again for the help, I apologize for the mistake but you were a legitimate help as well!